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shau wrote:If Stalin was going to rise from the dead he would have done it when his homeland was invaded by the filthy Russians. Face it, that guy is long gone.

Oh no, not again. Read the fucking wikipedia article, you fucking fuck.

Also, this would have never happened in Stalin's times:

Russian TV wrote:...twenty businesses are experiencing lack of energy

Yeah, "businesses", right. Businesses like Aunt Maggie's fruit stand. Or Kuzbass steelworks, it makes no difference to the talking heads. Every channel is Faux News.

Seriously Tzor, you are smoking crack.

1) Fucking Privileged classes of "better" people is the conservative mantra.

2) Suppressing dissent? Are you fucking kidding? I love how you bring up "Un American" as if that was actually something Liberals ever said, unlike, you know, conservatives, who regularly used the Term "Unamerican" to demonize anyone who opposed their policies, including a respected Vietnam vet who served in the senate and ran for president. Fuck you in your lying ass.

3) Those two parts of the conservative party have a 90% overlap, equating the two is not foolish except to the 2.5% of those who are only fiscally conservative and in denial about the facts. I'm fiscally conservative and not religious, but I'm also not in denial, 90% of the republican party is fucking retarded. Only about 80% of the democrats are. They have 10% on us. And they sure as hell don't spend their time attacking us for being unamerican because we disagree with them, that's us. Republicans are the retards who think "American" means slavish obedience.

Kaelik wrote:Seriously Tzor, you are smoking crack.

So did or did not House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer call those who attended town hall meetings in opposition to their health care coup d'état "simply un-American?" Did a Republican President ever set up an email list for people to fink out their friends and neighbors? Or spam her citizens with emails and non stop faux town hall meetings?

I mean seriously, there has to be something in that Kool-Aid.

tzor wrote:
So did or did not House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer call those who attended town hall meetings in opposition to their health care coup d'état "simply un-American?"

No, they didn't. They called attending the meetings in order to prevent anyone from talking to each other un-American.

Did a Republican President ever set up an email list for people to fink out their friends and neighbors?

Considering there's never been a Republican President with the skills to even attempt that, obviously not.

Hey, that flag@whitehouse.gov thing was basically a fucking SNOPES article because of the whole Death Panels bullshittery.

Also, "NO GOV IN HEALTHCARE SOCIALISM SOCIALISM BUT YES I HAPPEN TO LIKE MEDICARE A LOT WHY DO YOU ASK".

Don't pretend that crap was anything more than what it was.

...

Also, Pelosi didn't call them unAmerican, though she did repeat that persistent AstroTurf meme.

Now, with healthcare that's uncalled for. Just because people are organized doesn't make their concerns irrelevant.

With the recount, though...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... Jan23.html

AstroTurfing is a common tactic. Here its a label that's inaccurate.

Neeeek wrote: No, they didn't. They called attending the meetings in order to prevent anyone from talking to each other un-American.

Right! Excuse me for a minute while I roll on the floor laughing myself silly.

Let’s see, it was only three years ago in 2006 that Pelosi told anti-war protestors “I’m a fan of disrupters.” Ah yes the lovely CODE PINK that disrupted congressional meetings and shoved bloody hands (faux blood but still the point remains) at Republican heads of state. “It’s always exciting,” she told reporters after the meeting. “This is democracy in action. I’m energized by it, frankly.” One year later she would say “Preserving our planet is a national security issue…,” Pelosi said and paused. “I always say the best preparation for combat is combat,” she responded. “So just go for it, I respect your enthusiasm.”

Not to mention that it is the purple shirted union thugs who are the ones attacking other people in the course of town hall meetings; loyal servants of the current Democratic leadership under Pelosi et.al.

Tzor wrote:Not to mention that it is the purple shirted union thugs who are the ones attacking other people in the course of town hall meetings

Except that story is not in fact true.

Your brown shirt tactics, while classic, are also painfully transparent.

-Username17

Yes, because angry people are always Nazis.

Seriously, they're firing up the ovens and starting a war for Canadian lebensraum even as we speak.

I wonder, what 'fiscally conservative' thing did the Republicans do while they were in control from 2001-2006?

Pass the largest tax cut (until Obama), totally turning a surplus into a deficit.

Start two trillion-dollar wars.

Pass the largest and most expensive expansion of Medicare, ever.

Raise my taxes by $3K? Oop, that was in 2008, administrative maneuver, not legislation.

Run a deficit for the entire time they said we weren't in a recession?

Sell off millions of acres of government property and materiel at 1/10th the market value?

Investigate and charge the least number of employers of undocumented foreign workers in the last thirty years?

Purchase a trillion dollars of military equipment that wasn't asked for, doesn't actually do anything (yet) and can't be used in the wars they started?

Cut benefits for veterans and hazard pay for military, while hiring the most mercenaries since sometime before WWII at prices ten to a hundred times higher than military personnel are paid?

What 'fiscal' conservatism is this?

-Crissa

Starmaker wrote: Oh no, not again. Read the fucking wikipedia article, you fucking fuck.

Easy there tiger, I was just trying to make a joke, I'm not seriously trying to make accurate claims about the war in South Ossetia.

Crissa,
I believe tzor missed out that other important group in the Republican party; the NeoCons. They've got quite a lot of political capital - Cheney was a founding member of PNAC (wikipedia). The NeoCons have been setting the US agenda for the past 8 years, really.

mean_liar wrote:Yes, because angry people are always Nazis.

Seriously, they're firing up the ovens and starting a war for Canadian lebensraum even as we speak.

Brown Shirt Tactics doesn't require that you be exterminating commies and homos. It's a tactic, and it's even a fairly effective one. While you get retarded answers asking what brownshirt tactics are on wikianswers, that's not surprising or interesting. Brownshirt tactics are sending your thugs to stir up trouble and then feign surprise and alarm when people fight back against your thugs. You can then use that as a bloody flag to send in more thugs and hopefully repeat.

So... there's this town hall meeting. The conservatives send in a bunch of screaming and fist shaking guys to disrupt it. A couple of them get "over excited" and start shaking up a minister who was on the other side of the argument. Some guys from the Service Workers union intervene, there's a scuffle, and then the conservatives bust out a bunch of cameras and start yelling about how they are being "attacked by union thugs." They have an apparently pre-made series of condemnations of the union thugs that they release to the media immediately, and they start trotting out one of the guys who was supposedly beaten (you an see him running around and yelling on the video, also he left the area before the police came) being wheeled around in a wheelchair. Also, he is now supposedly "too weak to speak." Cue sympathy music. Or not, because it's so staged you can see the teleprompter.

So... how is that not Brownshirt Tactics? That's what Brownshirt Tactics are. It's an offensive term, but it's an offensive act. So fuck them. If they want to not get called on using Brownshirt Tactics, they are well within their rights to not use them in the first place.

-Username17

tzor wrote:Right! Excuse me for a minute while I roll on the floor laughing myself silly.

Let’s see, it was only three years ago in 2006 that Pelosi told anti-war protestors “I’m a fan of disrupters.” Ah yes the lovely CODE PINK that disrupted congressional meetings and shoved bloody hands (faux blood but still the point remains) at Republican heads of state. “It’s always exciting,” she told reporters after the meeting. “This is democracy in action. I’m energized by it, frankly.” One year later she would say “Preserving our planet is a national security issue…,” Pelosi said and paused. “I always say the best preparation for combat is combat,” she responded. “So just go for it, I respect your enthusiasm.”

Not to mention that it is the purple shirted union thugs who are the ones attacking other people in the course of town hall meetings; loyal servants of the current Democratic leadership under Pelosi et.al.

Even ignoring how totally wrong you are, lets look closely at what you just did:

Tzor: Demoncrats call people unamerican, republicans don't!

Other people: Actually retard, Republicans do it all the time, and democrats don't.

Tzor: NANSI PELOSI IS A HYPOCRITE!

See how when you are wrong you run to hide behind bullshit that you just make up?

See how fucking sad it is that in your bullshit "Democrats are Fascists" bullshit you are actually completely wrong, and your answer to being wrong is to start spewing completely unrelated personal attacks against democrats?

See how anyone remotely smart (IE not you) might be pissed off at how you make baseless attacks, and when your lack of base is exposed, you then make more baseless attacks to divert?

That's fucking annoying. Don't do it.

PS, Michelle Malkin is known for lying. And she's the primary source you cite? Please.

I understand that the tautology about even though she's said one thing wrong (or dozens) that doesn't mean this thing is wrong - in fact, I'm pretty sure the energizing quote isn't out of context - but it does give me basis for being suspect of her quotes.

-Crissa

Crissa wrote:I wonder, what 'fiscally conservative' thing did the Republicans do while they were in control from 2001-2006?

Well, when you put it that way ...
Not a Damn Thing.
No not one.
Wait, there was ...
No that wasn't conservative either, never mind.

Heath Robinson wrote:Crissa,
I believe tzor missed out that other important group in the Republican party; the NeoCons. They've got quite a lot of political capital - Cheney was a founding member of PNAC (wikipedia). The NeoCons have been setting the US agenda for the past 8 years, really.

I don't think I was giving a definitive list of groups within the party, but you have a valid point. I don't think they are as evil as some in the left insist they are, but they do worry me ... a lot.

FrankTrollman wrote:So... how is that not Brownshirt Tactics?

No Frank, that's a conspiracy theory. Conservatives, especially those roused by tea party anger are far from that devious in their plotting. Liberals, on the other hand are too well organized to get caught. The conservatives are the rank amateurs, they are new to this type of protest. Real grass roots people are like that. It's the organized AstroTurf that is slick and polished and trying to be people who they are not; like DOCTORS!

Crissa wrote:PS, Michelle Malkin is known for lying. And she's the primary source you cite? Please.

Go ahead, be blind to the truth. I don't care. Neither does reality.

tzor wrote:I don't think I was giving a definitive list of groups within the party, but you have a valid point. I don't think they are as evil as some in the left insist they are, but they do worry me ... a lot.

Depending on your definition of Evil, they may or may not be so. I believe that Frank would consider them Evil, whilst they clearly do not believe themselves to be. In particular, though, I mentioned them to address Crissa's points on policies during the Bush Jr administration. Dick Cheney was a PNAC founder, so it makes sense that PNAC beliefs guided US policy during Bush Jr's terms.

tzor wrote:

FrankTrollman wrote:So... how is that not Brownshirt Tactics?

No Frank, that's a conspiracy theory. Conservatives, especially those roused by tea party anger are far from that devious in their plotting. Liberals, on the other hand are too well organized to get caught. The conservatives are the rank amateurs, they are new to this type of protest. Real grass roots people are like that. It's the organized AstroTurf that is slick and polished and trying to be people who they are not; like DOCTORS!

Here's one of your fellow Teabaggers/Birthers/Wingnuts putting Brownshirt Tactics into action. Enjoy!

I don't think that's Brownshirt tactics. That's more like ... stupidity in action.

So, if the Republicans who are fiscally conservative, failed you...

...Why am I the blind one?

-Crissa


Which of the above were liberals arrested for bringing to town hall meetings?
Which of the above have conservatives brought to town hall meetings?

tzor wrote:Conservatives, especially those roused by tea party anger are far from that devious in their plotting. Liberals, on the other hand are too well organized to get caught. The conservatives are the rank amateurs, they are new to this type of protest. Real grass roots people are like that.

I'll be the first to admit teabaggers are fucking retarded, but literally the main stay of political maneuvering for the Republican party for the last 20 years has been devious plotting and media manipulation.

They are fucking amazing at that shit, and they do it non stop all the time. They aren't new to this shit, it's been their staple tactic for like 30 years now, though they didn't get really good at it for a while.

tzor wrote:No Frank, that's a conspiracy theory. Conservatives, especially those roused by tea party anger are far from that devious in their plotting. Liberals, on the other hand are too well organized to get caught.

That is HILARIOUS.

You actually criticize Frank for having conspiracy theories about an innocent thuggish documented fucking aggressive astroturf movement.

And then in the very next sentence declare that liberals are up to... something... that they aren't being caught for with their devious super secret plotting.

"You sir are being a discredited paranoid conspiracy nut by mentioning my allies documented public activities. By the way, I accuse you of spying on me with your invisible monolithic psychic spy agency that cannot be detected and never does anything!"

The conservatives are the rank amateurs, they are new to this type of protest. Real grass roots people are like that.

You know nothing about your own movement of the moment. Modern American politics, or the history of conservatism in general. Do you?

NOTHING! (And fiercely proud of it)

Crissa wrote:
Which of the above were liberals arrested for bringing to town hall meetings?
Which of the above have conservatives brought to town hall meetings?

...okay, I heard about the conservatives bringing guns (presumably small, concealable handguns), and by process of elimination I'm going to guess liberals were arrested for bringing shirts to town hall meetings.

Which leaves just one question: why?